Washington's "FREE" Money Comes With One Condition | Nancy Mace

[00:00] All right. Good evening, everyone. We are doing it a little bit differently tonight. I'm in Washington this week. We'll not have time to be able to do these quick podcasts we've been doing at 8 p.m. every night, Monday through Thursday. So I'm doing a long one tonight. I hope you'll stick with me for the whole hour. But if you can't, that's okay. We will cut up each of the segments and air them each at 8 p.m. every night this week so that you don't miss out on anything. We're going to do something a little bit differently tonight, but let's get through the intro first.

[00:58] I see you're not following me. Hit the follow button now. All right. We're going to do something a little bit differently, as I said before. Tonight, I'm going to start off by showing you a clip from a body cam footage the night of a shooting three years ago. There are words written on a notepad. I want you to pay very close attention to the words on the notepad. Hey, I

[01:22] had to do something. What'd you get? The clip captures now former HCPD patrol sergeant's life. Sergeant Paul Damon Viscovi writing and flashing a written note reading, quote, act like a victim camera to two men, Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams. The video taken just moments after both Boyd and Williams allegedly gunned down fellow driver Scott Spivey. Now, if there had been an actual investigation, one would think that those five words would have come up in the investigation. Why would somebody write down act like a victim? And then camera right after a fatal shooting? Ask yourself why? And a police sergeant wrote those words down at the scene of a shooting in South Carolina and held them up to the man who had just shot and killed somebody. He thought no camera would ever see it. However, his own body camera caught it. They didn't find this clip from the body cam until a reporter dug it up two years later.

[02:25] So when they said there was an investigation and this never came up, I have a lot of questions about this. So this week, those five words became a federal civil rights lawsuit by Jennifer Foley and Scott Spivey's family. Let's watch it again. No reading, quote, act like a victim. Good evening. I'm Nancy Mace and you are about to get maced.

[02:52] Republican just spent two days in Dallas releasing balloons and the press called it disarray. I watched it the way I used to watch a three a.m. rush at the Waffle House. Loud, messy. And the plates still hit the table. Democrats have a quieter kitchen. And oh, by the way, nothing, nothing ever comes out of it that's ever. And you go, the Democrats spent their summer

[03:15] nominating actual card carrying socialists and calling it a rebrand, calling it an experiment. We have the receipts and we're going to go through every single one of them tonight. And the full story behind that yellow legal pad is waiting at the end of the show, including recordings of a deputy chief of police. You're going to have to hear with your own ears and see with your own eyes to actually believe. So stick around. Let's go. Before I say one word about the other side, some housekeeping about mine. Republicans held our first ever midterm convention in Dallas this week. Labor Day kicked off the general election. We are 50 days out from the November election. We're holding majorities in both chambers in the House and the Senate by a single hair. And every serious forecast says we could lose both chambers. So, no, I'm not up here tonight to tell you my team has it all figured out because we, quite frankly, we do not. And a Democrat, John Fetterman, showed up at our convention promising to work with the president.

[04:16] There are Republicans in Dallas. Yes, I'm Senator John Fetterman, Pennsylvania. Yes, I'm a Democrat. Why am I here talking to you today? Because, well, I'm a common sense Democrat. All right. And Democrat Senator John Fetterman showed up at our convention, promising to work with the president, which tells you how strange this general election cycle is. When the other team starts wandering into your locker room, check the scoreboard. Now, the lineup the other side is actually putting on the field. And I want you to know something as we as we go forward. Every claim tonight comes with a receipt on your screen. I'm not going to call anybody a name they didn't earn, at least not in their own words. So we're going to start in Florida. Angie Nixon just won the Democratic. nomination for the United States Senate. She's a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, card carrying a member, OK, who loves to scream in the microphone.

[05:16] That's not my label for her. She's a socialist. That is her membership. That is the card she carries. Her own party recruited Alex Vindman for that seat, who was a witness in an impeachment trial for the president, fled a socialist country as a socialist refugee, decorated veteran, national profile, CNN. All the time, establishment money, fled a socialist country, perfect on paper. And the Florida Democrat primary voters looked at all of that and Alexander Vindman and picked the card carrying socialist and said and said. And her her victory speech actually said a lot.

[05:56] She makes a good point here. She was outspent 16 to 1. Alexander Vindman raised $16 million. She raised less than $1 million. She won. And her victory speech ran on Medicare for all universal child care, all the free things the government sucks at. And then we go north to Michigan, where Abdul El-Sayed just won the Democrat Senate primary. By one point, he campaigned with Bernie Sanders, AOC and a podcaster named Hassan Piker, who said America deserved 9-11. America deserved 9-11, dude. And when the Wall Street Journal asked if he's a Democrat socialist, Abdul said that he is, quote, not technical. Technically socialist. I'm not a socialist. I'm a scientist. I'm a doctor. Which is also how I describe my relationship with cardio. Not technically. Not technically cardio. Watch. A Senate candidate in Michigan is facing criticism this morning for planning a rally with anti-Israeli podcaster Hassan Piker, who says America deserved 9-11 and justified the October 7th attacks.

[07:08] It doesn't even matter. None of this. It justifies that Palestinians have a right to to dignity, a right to emancipation, a right to live free lives free from this occupation. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if rapes happen on October 7. Like, that doesn't change the dynamic for me even this much. And I want to play this clip of when the supreme leader, the Ayatollah, was eliminated. And this is what you had to say. Watch. I also want to remind you guys that there are a lot of people in Dearborn who are. Well, fast forward five weeks on. I think all of us are sad today. There's so much in those clips. And thank you to Fox News. Lawrence Jones is so good going after these folks. But I got to take you back to Hassan. Hassan's words about the occupation. The Palestinians have been occupied by the Jews in Israel is what he was referring to. By the way, Hassan, the Jews were there before Mohammed.

[08:08] Okay. The Jews were there first. And then Jesus came. And Mohammed came after Jesus. And by the way, Mohammed was okay with pedophilia, child marriage, child rape. Okay. Not things to be proud of. There is no occupation. There's only one Jewish state in the entire world. And it's under attack by radical Islam. Babies burned alive on October 7. Women raped and killed by those nasty Ghazan.

[08:45] And the only thing that I think is really funny is that the Jews were there. And they were there for the whole time. They were there for the whole time. And oh, by the way, did you see the pivot that Abdul did there with Lawrence Jones on Fox News? His pivot when asked about not wanting to talk about the Ayatollah's death in Iran when Trump annihilated his. Annihilated him. Excuse me. Bleep that one out, Piper. Abdul wanted to pivot and talk about gas prices. I mean. That is, it is such a strange cycle. I will agree. It's a really weird cycle. And about Hassan Piker. Let's see. Hassan Piker was on the Jumbotron at the RNC event, midterm convention. My own party at our own convention put a photo of that man in his underwear on the Jumbotron. Blurred, thank God. But still, nobody wants to see that. But I'm going to show, I'm going to show it to you. I'm going to show it to you anyway for giggles.

[09:57] And of course, Hassan Piker loved that he was in his tidy whiteys on a Jumbotron at the RNC midterm convention. Loved it. Great for his ego. He looked like he stuffed it, by the way. But I have, I have questions for whomever built that montage because nobody wanted to see that. I didn't want to see that. And Piker reposted the picture of himself unblurred. I don't advise you go watch it, which means that the only person that attack ad worked for was actually. Or Hassan Piker. Why give him that kind of ink? If we're going to see if we're going to lose a messaging war, can we at least keep our opponent's pants on? And I didn't have to call him an extremist because El-Sayed's primary opponent went on television and cast him as an extremist. And the Republicans preferred candidate called Abdul that Hassan Piker is an extremist. But she called Abdul an extremist. Governor Whitmer endorsed against Abdul in the final month of the Democrat primary. The Sharia law lover. One anyway, loves Sharia law, defends it, which brings me to Texas.

[11:02] And I need the clip for this one because you wouldn't believe me. Otherwise, James Tallarico is a Democrat nominee for Senate in Texas.

[11:10] Ken Paxton could lose to this guy. He's a Presbyterian seminary student. He preaches in actual churches. And in 2021, on the floor of the Texas House, he said this. God is both masculine and feminine. And everything in between. God is non-binary. God is non-binary. God is both masculine and feminine. God is non-binary, he said. And that is on the record. It's a Christian who hates Christianity. That is in his voice, in his own words. And reporters like Jake Tapper asked him about it this month. He explained he was being provocative. And what he really meant is that God is beyond gender. So the campaigner. The campaigner has upgraded God from non-binary to beyond gender. I'm glad they found time to workshop the Almighty in Texas, Tallarico. But I have a friend. And this is a true story.

[12:10] I have a friend who recently told me he just gave $5,000 to Tallarico. I had to go look it up in the FEC myself because I didn't believe him. This is a good friend of mine that I thought was a Republican, that I thought was Christian, is in church every Sunday. I almost tackled him. I found out he did. And I asked him, I asked him why. And he said, because he's Christian.

[12:35] He's got a lot of Christians, I believe, fooled.

[12:41] What he really meant was, walking it back.

[12:45] And before anybody tells me that was one man being poetic, please understand where the culture already is. Race became optional on TikTok this week. Some woman got on TikTok. Some pro-Lindsey. Clancy woman. She's a woman. She may not look like a woman to some people. That's a whole nother conversation. A whole nother TikTok trend is what gender are you? We don't know. You're confusing.

[13:12] A woman that looked like Pat announced to the world that she is a non, I kid you not, she is a non-practicing white. The holdout during the Lindsay Clancy trial was a black man. And I'm not going to share any opinions because I'm not a person of color. I am a non-practicing white. I'm surprised. It changes the landscape of the conversation a little bit. And I think a lot of us were assuming that it was a white man. So now God's gender is on the ballot in Texas. Apparently everything in America is self-identified except for your tax bracket. I would like to non, I would like to identify as a non-practicing taxpayer. Is that a thing? Because I surely would love for that to be a thing. Now the part of the Tallarico story I actually wanted you to take seriously. He wraps every position in scripture. It's very dangerous. Because when a court let Texas display the Ten Commandments in classrooms, he called the ruling deeply unchristian.

[14:15] As I said before, he's a Christian who hates Christianity. On a podcast in January, he said some atheists are more Christ-like than his Christian colleagues. And I will grant the man this. He knows his Bible. But his theology has one remarkable feature. Every time. On every issue. It lands exactly on the Democratic Party platform. This is dangerous. And when your faith never costs you a single vote with your own party, you should at least consider the possibility that it is the party doing the preaching. And not Jesus himself. And in fairness, because we work both sides of a fight on this program, as you'll soon learn tonight, his opponent has not covered himself in theological glory either. Ken Paxson stood on a stage and called him, I like that. I've actually used that one myself. And Paxson told the crowd, The man is a vegan who thinks God is non-binary. The non-binary quote is real.

[15:17] The vegan part is false. Reporters checked in Telerico's standing breakfast orders a potato, egg, and cheese taco, not technically vegan. Which might make him the worst vegan in the state of Texas. So, and I'll be honest with you, low-T Telerico is false. It's a funny nickname. I laughed. I liked it. I've used the low-T to attack myself on some of my opponents in the past. Ken Paxson may be down a wife who filed for divorce on biblical grounds, but the man has not lost his fastball. So that's your ballot, Texas. A seminarian whose Bible somehow always votes Democrat versus a man workshopping nicknames while his own wife cites scripture in his divorce filing. So choose wisely. I will be watching from a safe distance, eating a taco. How about that? Ba-dum-bum-tsch. It's a good, it's a good one. So put the whole board together. Florida, the establishment recruited a moderate and lost. Michigan, the governor endorsed against the guy who loves Islam, hates women.

[16:21] If you love Islam, you hate women. He's pro-Sharia law. Women get stoned under Sharia law. Child marriage under Sharia law. He won. You'll hear people say I'm calling these candidates radical. I didn't have to. They're on parties. They spent tens of millions of dollars trying to stop them. And their own party failed. That is the story of this midterm, and it is 50 days away from your ballot. When we come back, I take you somewhere the cameras do not go. I'm going to actually tell you what it looks like from the inside.

[17:01] Welcome to the cloak room, where I tell you what C-SPAN cannot show you. So this week, we're going to go there, AI. There's a big fight this weekend. It started with Elon Musk, Dario Amadei, Sam Altman, warning the world. And then there was the guy that left, Claude, left Anthropic, warning that we were all going to die in the next 10 years because of AI. OK, the Speaker Johnson wants to bring it on the Hill. You've got Ro Khanna talking about it. Senator Ted Cruz talking about it. Even the president talking about it. But President Trump is right. Whoever wins AI wins. This is the fight of our times. This is like going nuclear. Whoever gets the nuclear, the nuclear bomb first wins. AI is the nuclear bomb, is the modern-day nuclear bomb. You know, all these AI companies, you know, release this stuff open source, which should have been your first clue this was bad, because Iran's using open source to manage their missiles, Russia's using it, China, all of our enemies are using open source.

[18:06] And here we are, the top three AI, some would argue top, these AI companies have cornered the AI market. They benefit, by the way, you got to look at this through both lenses, the companies that are complaining about the pace of AI are the ones to benefit from the regulation of AI, because they've cornered the market. But if we pause AI the way that these billionaires want us to, we pause AI, China's going to eat our lunch. They are right on our heels. I know this because I chair a committee on technology and AI in Congress on the House Oversight Committee. I know what's going on. I know the traps. They want to get us out of here. They want the government to tell them you got to have a kill switch. You don't need the government to tell you to have a kill switch. These companies should have it already. But whatever the US does, it doesn't mean Iran's going to do it. Whatever the US does, it isn't going to stop China. Who's going to stop China? This is so short sighted. Is AI a threat? Absolutely. The biggest threat in AI right now, which they are not talking about, is singularity.

[19:11] Technical or technological singularity. Is when the AI can autonomously create AI. When that day happens, we're all screwed, by the way. Okay? We're not just talking about job losses, technology advances, the internet going down, the worst offensive in cyber that you could imagine. This is the reason we can't stop. Because if we do, China's going to do everything to bring down their enemies. We're not their friends. China wants world domination. The best thing, easiest way for China to get world domination is to win the AI race. We can't allow it to happen. Which is why this is so important. And stick with me here.

[19:59] Because the moment that AI becomes autonomous, the moment that AI programs itself, could

[20:08] be the end of time. It's that serious. And we're not far away. Some would argue we're two or three years away from that. But if we stop, who will stop China? Who will stop Iran? Who will stop Russia? Nobody will. The EU tried to regulate AI a couple of years ago. This was pre-large language model. They had no idea what was next with AI. They did all these regulations thinking they were great. They stifled innovation. They stifled competition.

[20:36] AI pretty much hit pause.

[20:39] Then you had large language models come about. Nobody thought about it. You don't know what you don't know because the technology is advancing so fast. Then large language models came out, and

[20:54] there was no regulation for it. You just can't plan for this. But what we can plan is a win. And by regulating, it's not a win for America. It's a win for China. Think about this. And it's a win for the corner of the market to monopolize the market, which doesn't need to happen. You know what America needs to do? America needs to own every single piece of land that has rare earth minerals.

[21:20] We need to process them here in the United States. We need to use our military bases overseas and here to process rare earth minerals so we can own the chip market. So we don't have to rely on China. Because as soon as China turns off the chips, we're done for. We're out. We're done. We lose. China can't win.

[21:42] America must win. All right. Now our next segment is called The Tab.

[21:58] Time to open The Tab, the segment where we read the bill before we sign it. Imagine that. I actually read the bills in Congress, which apparently makes me a radical in D.C. Maybe I'm a unicorn. The big ones, especially. At the convention in Dallas this week, President Trump pledged that if Republicans win the midterms, every American adult gets a $5,000 check. And here is my promise. If the Republicans win the House of Representatives and the United States Senate, both of them, I will issue a dividend to every adult citizen in the United States of America for $5,000. My side, my party, my convention. So let's do what nobody on that stage did and run the math on camera. And this might blow Howard Lutnick's mind, by the way, because there are roughly 260 million adults in this country, 260 million times $5,000. That's about $1.3 trillion with a capital T.

[23:02] I want you to feel what that number is made of. $5,000 a person. That's a lot of money for someone making minimum wage at $8 an hour. Now, the same week that that promise went out, investors were dumping treasuries and bond yields hit their highest level since 2007. And now they're talking about rate hikes. And then Senator Ted Cruz came up with the brilliant idea that the $5,000 check, only should go to people who work. But I think we should be incentivizing work. I don't think we should be paying people that are not working. Great message for the midterms, Ted, because you're leaving off seniors who can't afford the homes they live in. They bought for retirement, are being pushed out. They can't live on $1,500 a month from Social Security.

[23:52] Or the moms who decided to stay home to raise the kids and support their husbands who are working. What about them? Terrible message for seniors and for women. But the real honest answer is no one's getting a $5,000 check. It's not coming from the treasury. It's not coming from tariffs. Kat Tempf did a tweet this weekend, educating people about tariffs. We've only got a couple hundred billion in tariffs, which the Supreme Court has said has to be remanded back somewhere.

[24:24] Nowhere near a trillion dollars is what this would cost. What are we going to do? Borrow money from China? To pay? For $5,000 checks?

[24:34] More debt?

[24:36] No. I spoke with voters this weekend about it. They're incensed about it. They don't like it. They don't want it. They'd rather take that $1.3 trillion and pay down the debt. Or give it back to them in a tax refund, potentially. Childcare tax credit. However.

[24:52] But that means the people who lend American money are already nervous about the tab we already have, seeing the markets the way that they are. But this would put another trillion dollars on that same tab. Now. Some of you are mad at me for saying this right now, so let me earn it all the way. In 2021, when Joe Biden mailed out $1,400 checks, Mitch McConnell called it a grand socialist experiment. Let me say that again. Borrowing from our grandkids to do socialism for rich people is a terrible way to get help to families who actually need it. Kevin McCarthy, former Speaker Kevin McCarthy, said it would turn us into Venezuela. Every House Republican voted no, and I was one of them. Somebody needs to tell me, with a straight face, what we're calling a $5,000 check. Because the checkbook cannot tell the difference between a blue signature and a red one. If $1,400 was Venezuela and socialism a few years ago, I have questions about what a $5,000 check actually is.

[25:59] I have questions, don't you? $2,000 was socialism for rich people, so what is $5,000? Is it a dividend? Somebody explain the exchange rate to me. I want us to win in November. I desperately want us to win. We can't have Angie Nixon, Abdul El-Sayed. We can't have the next Mamdani winning. I want us to win telling you the truth. Those two things cannot be in conflict. Or we deserve to lose. That's the tab. Somebody has to pay it. And you already know who that is. Here are the rules. Rule number one. When a politician promises you free money, find out whose money. Spoiler. It was your money the whole time. That's the entire trick. It works every election. And it works on both teams. Don't fall for the trick. We're now going to shift. And I want to tell you up front so nobody gets whiplash. My cute jokes stop here. The next two segments are serious.

[27:00] And I'm going to treat them that way. This is railroaded.

[27:09] And it's about a man in Massachusetts whose name I won't say. Because keeping his name out of it is the entire point of this. A week ago, the Lindsey Clancy trial ended in a mistrial. The jury deadlocked. Well, one juror deadlocked the jury. There's a hearing on September 29th to sort out what happens next. And I'm not here tonight to argue the verdict question. The segment isn't about whether the holdout juror was right. Okay. The holdout juror was absolutely 100% he was 100% right. This was murder. This was a serial killing. Three kids are dead. After the mistrial, a fellow juror went on television and identified the holdout as the only black member of the jury. I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it was nine women, three men. What was the age range? What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that. What was it?

[28:07] Seventy-ish to 22.

[28:11] And one person of color and then everybody else was white.

[28:18] A lot of the jurors had children.

[28:21] One person of color was a person of color, a woman or a man? A man. A man. Is a holdout juror a black man? Yes. A black man is a holdout juror? Yes.

[28:36] Well, I have to sit with that for just a second. And then a major Boston news operation went to work on doxing this man. They contacted his family. They contacted his former wife. They contacted his landlord, his employer. They pulled his personal court records. And the only reason you don't know his name is that the court keeps the jury list sealed. I'm not going to repeat one word of what they claim they dug up because repeating it finishes the job that they started. They didn't go out and dox the other jurors who have criminal records, by the way. He wasn't the only one, allegedly. This man didn't volunteer. He was summoned. He sat for weeks through the worst evidence a human being could ask to hear and a case about the death of three young kids. He deliberated and he voted his conscience. That's not a malfunction of the jury system. That is the jury system. It's the whole job description.

[29:27] You can believe he got it wrong. And you can still see that this cannot stand. Because the next 12 jurors are watching. If the lesson of this case is that voting the unpopular way gets your family called, gets you doxed, gets your past printed in the newspaper, then no honest person can ever safely serve on a hard case or a publicized case again because you'll be outed. You'll be doxed if you vote against the mob, if you vote against the cult, if you vote against the left. And every future juror holdout knows the price in advance. This is very dangerous. Massachusetts law makes it a crime to intimidate, harass, or retaliate against a juror. That statute exists for this exact very moment. And even Kevin Reddington's wife got in on it on social media. And yet we're watching the left dox the long holdout juror in real time regardless of the law. I've spent my time in Congress writing laws to stop people's private lives from being turned into weapons against them.

[30:31] I did it for victims of abuse, victims of voyeurism, victims of assault, victims of rape. And I'll say the same thing here. We conscript 12 strangers to sit in judgment because we don't trust the government to do it alone. If the price of an unpopular jury verdict is your family getting called by the press, your past dredged up on social media, and your landlord on the news, no honest man ever holds out again. And that's the point. That man was railroaded.

[31:08] This is the docket. Tonight, it's here at home in Horry County, South Carolina, my home state. One rule before we start. I need you to hold me to it. You're going to hear the word alleges over and over again in this segment. That word is doing real work. This case has not been adjudicated yet in any civil court. And so we're using the word alleged because none of it, some of what I'm about to show you, is documented on video, yes, and audio. Some of it is accusation in a lawsuit that no judge and no jury has tested yet. And I will tell you which is which every single time. That's my promise to you. But on September 9th, 2023, a man named Scott Spivey was 33 years old, an insurance adjuster, and was driving his truck up Highway 9 headed home. And I'm going to give you the whole record, including the parts his family probably doesn't wish were true. Because you deserve all of it before you sit in judgment of this case. And this story doesn't need either side sanitized, okay? Witnesses that day reported erratic driving.

[32:09] More than one said he displayed a handgun. His blood alcohol was later reported at 0.13. And we need to go there because there needs to be a real debate on how his alcohol levels were tested, by the way, because that matters here. They weren't tested right away. His body was still left in a truck driven 25 miles away. And I'm told was in a condition that that could have exacerbated the alcohol level because of how long they waited and the condition of the body when they waited. And those facts are central to the original ruling that this was self-defense. And they're real. Here's what else is real. Arrested an owner named Weldon Boyd with a passenger whose last name is Williams, followed Scott Spivey for roughly nine miles. Evidence later presented in court put speeds above 100 miles an hour. Boyd called 911 himself and on that call he told the dispatcher that if Spivey aimed a gun again, quote, we're going to have to shoot him.

[33:09] We're going to have to shoot him, he told the 911 dispatcher. Spivey turned right onto Camp Swamp Road, the road toward his own house. Boyd's stated destination was straight ahead. Boyd decided to turn right and follow Spivey. Minutes later, Scott Spivey was dead and Boyd and Williams had both fired allegedly. Neither of them had a scratch. Both said were self-defense. Neither man has ever been charged with a crime and both maintained that to this day they acted lawfully. Who fired first is genuinely disputed and what the docket is about tonight is what police did next. By two in the morning, the lead detective's initial report already described the shooting as appearing justified. And then piece by piece over three years, over the last three years, their frame fell apart. Fact one, documented on body camera, sergeant at the scene, Damon Biscobie, wrote five words on a yellow legal pad and held it up for Boyd, and Williams to see. The words were act like a victim camera. He checked whether another officer's camera was running first. He angled his own away.

[34:11] His own body camera caught the note anyway. Let's put it on the screen. Let people read it. An independent journalist named Beth Braden found that moment buried in hours of footage almost two years later. The department later fired Biscobie for policy violations. Boyd, for his part, has said he didn't know the officer, wishes he had never been shown the note, and thinks the officer may have been trying to calm him down. I wish he had never done that. Was it a surprise to you, some officer you don't know, showed you this note? I didn't know what he meant by it. I was totally dumbfounded by it. I mean, what do you say to that? What do you do to that? Act like a victim. I mean, I am a victim. I'm sitting here at a scene where someone just tried to shoot me, and we had to shoot back. And you walk up and you just flash that at me. And then I, I mean, immediately I knew this was bad, because I didn't ask for that. That is his answer. And now you have it.

[35:11] Let's put it on screen again for the people to read. Let's see that.

[35:16] And hats off to Beth Braden with True Sunlight Podcast for finding that. Fact two, documented. Scott Spivey's truck was towed roughly 25 miles to a county facility with his body still inside it. A crime scene investigator testified she'd never seen that and her six years on the job. Former South Carolina coroners told the Wall Street Journal it was not normal practice to do that, and the county's explanation was that rain threatened the evidence. His parents say they later had to watch a video of their son's body being thrown around inside that truck as it was unloaded. Their lawsuit says officers on camera discussed making sure the family was never told his body had been moved that way. That last part is an allegation, and it's one that I can't get out of my head. Fact three, documented, and this is the part that turned a bad investigation into a scandal. Weldon Boyd's phone automatically recorded his own calls. Man, I wish I had that app on my phone. I'd like to know what it was. About 90 of those recordings ended up in a police file that Scott's sister obtained by subpoena.

[36:20] She opened them at our kitchen table one day, and on those recordings is the deputy chief of police, Brandon Strickland, a personal friend of Boyd, the shooter, in his own voice while his department investigated his friend for a killing. I got the people coming that I need to come, he said, working, quote, in the shadows. In the shadows. The detective is, quote, a good old boy you were, quote, taking care of, predicting on tape that the case would be closed by, quote, the end of the week easily, unless they ran extra weapon testing to determine, and this is word for word, who won the prize of killing Scott Spivey. The prize. That's what they called him. And then this about the man his sister and his best friend had just shot. I'm just glad it was a white guy. What's up, man? Brandon, where you at?

[37:06] Can you come to Camp Swamp Road off of 9 like as fast as possible?

[37:13] I had to shoot somebody. This was the phone call restaurant owner Weldon Boyd made to former Horry County deputy chief Brandon Strickland following a deadly shootout between Boyd and Scott Spivey. It happened on September 9, 2023, while the two traveled separately on Highway 9, then turned onto Camp Swamp Road. The incident was ruled self-defense, and Boyd was never charged. And the detective who met with you last night was Alan Jones, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah, country guy. Good old boy. Well, that's who I sent out there, and I called the captain over investigation and told him that you were, and my next call was to Jamie Richardson. Strickland does tell Boyd in the calls to talk to his attorney, and though he couldn't be there physically... I was in the shadows last night. I weren't there, but I was in the shadows. You were, you were taken care of. The prize, end of the week, easily. Glad it was a white guy. Sit with those words for a minute. A deputy chief of police calling a dead man a prize and relieved about the victim's race because he knew the scrutiny would have been far worse had it been a black man.

[38:19] He said all of it out loud because he was certain no one would ever hear it. He didn't know he was being recorded. Strickland sighed because this show gives you both. His lawyer says those statements were bluster, that he recused him, that the police himself never went to the scene and influenced nothing. The department has said the detective was already up on the on-call rotation. Strickland left the Department of Security as scrutiny intensified. And after the new lawsuit was filed this week, his lawyer called it inflammatory rubbish and said the officers will be vindicated in court. That may be. That's what courts are for. Which brings us to this week on September 8th, three years to the week after the shooting. Scott Spivey's family filed a federal civil rights lawsuit in Florence in South Carolina. 14 defendants. The county, the former chief, the former deputy chief and 11 more officers and supervisors. Boyd and Williams are not defendants in this case. The lawsuit is aimed entirely at the local government in South Carolina. The lawsuit alleges widespread intentional mishandling of the investigation into Spivey's death, starting just minutes after the shooting and going through this year.

[39:23] The Spivey family hopes when the lawsuit is done, it causes widespread change in policing here in Horry County. The lawsuit makes more than 50 allegations of, quote, coordinated misuse of law enforcement authority, specifically naming 13 officers. Of those 13, we've confirmed 10 still work at HCPD. Two of the officers even testified at this year's Stand Your Ground hearings for Weldon Boyd and Kenneth Williams. The allegations include mishandling evidence at the scene of the shooting, officers failing to separate witnesses upon arrival and turning off their body-worn cameras. The complaint alleges, and every single word of this next part is an allegation, that commanders held a meeting two days after the shooting and set the direction of the investigation, that officers were told to be nice to Boyd and Williams, that cameras were deliberately shut off, that phones and a tablet that may have recorded the shooting were left in the shooter's hands instead of being seized under a warrant.

[40:23] He did ask you to delete Facebook messages, right? He did.

[40:29] And based on his instruction, you did that? Correct. I did. The

[40:35] tablet was in the truck the night of the incident, right? It was mounted on the dash about right here.

[40:45] And indeed, some of the photos you can see. You can see it, yes, sir. And so you don't dispute there was a tablet on the dash, and it could have been capturing images or film if it were programmed to do so, right?

[40:58] Yeah, if you wanted to use it for that purpose, it can be used for that purpose. That bar surveillance footage was selectively cut to make Spivey look worse. That evidence was mislabeled so it could not be found, that the crime scene log went missing for two years, that pills were planted in Spivey's truck through an unsealed rear window, and that his body was left in the heat in a way that inflated the toxicology report. On the pills, the heat, and the tablet, I want to be straight with you, no public forensic finding establishes any of those three. They are claims, they are allegations, and discovery exists to test those claims, and now for the first time, there will be discovery to test them. Two things have already been decided, by a judge, so you know this is not just a family's theory. In February, after a four-day hearing, a judge denied Boyd and Williams' immunity from the family's wrongful death suit, and said, on the record, that he questioned Boyd's credibility. He also weighed evidence that Williams deleted Facebook messages at Boyd's request, and gave police false information. Denial of immunity is not a finding of guilt.

[42:00] The wrongful death case is simply allowed to proceed, and it is. On the criminal side, the Attorney General has referred the police conduct to an outside solicitor, and a state grand jury was impaneled in February. Grand juries are secret, there's no public result yet, but it's a case you need to be closely watching. Why am I giving this case a full segment? Because I have publicly demanded answers for this family before tonight, and because every piece of it was almost never found. Think about the chain. The note was caught by an independent journalist rewatching body camera footage. The calls exist because a private citizen's phone happened to record them. The file came out because a sister spent her Super Bowl Sunday alone at a kitchen table with a flash drive. Take away any link in that chain, and this case is still closed, and the official story is still the only story. A civilized state can't hide the truth, and body camera laws mean nothing if officers can turn those cameras off at the exact moments that it matters.

[43:02] Officer-involved shootings should go to an outside agency, by default, not by referral, two years later, and evidence standards need teeth because a chain of custody that includes a private garage and an unsealed rear window is not a chain of custody at all. These are policy fights worth having, and the county says it doesn't comment on pending litigation. A spokesperson for Horry County did not provide us with a comment on the allegations. Most of the named officers have not yet responded in court, and their silence is no admission. Service runs through December, and we're going to follow the docket, every single day, and when the defendants answer, you'll hear the answers in full. Scott Spivey was not a perfect man on September 9th, 2023.

[43:43] Nobody, nobody in this story was. He was a citizen of South Carolina who deserved to live, though. And three years later, the question is no longer only who fired first, the question is whether the people we pay to find out who fired first ever tried. And that's the docket. This is the show, weeknights Monday through Thursday at 8 p.m. I'm in session this week, so we went long tonight, and we'll cut the program and re-air it each night, segment by segment. Every segment you just watched goes up on its own on a different day. I'll cut it down just for your evening before you go to bed at night. I'm an early, I go to bed early. Don't tell anybody, but I'm an early, I'm early to rise too. So tell a friend who thinks Congress is boring, it's not boring. And good night. Actually, not good night, one more thing. Because I promised you at the top, every claim in tonight's show has a source, and we publish the whole fact table with the episode. You'll see it in the description and in the comments.

[44:44] The complaint, the court record, the clips, the numbers, all of it linked. If somebody tells you we got something wrong, ask them for their sources, because we will show you ours. Keep your receipts. We keep ours. Good night for real this time. I see you're not following me. Hit the follow button now.